« What is it with lists? | Main | 100 Best-ish Nonfiction Titles: Biography »

11 October 2011

TrackBack

TrackBack URL for this entry:
http://www.typepad.com/services/trackback/6a00e5521b321c8834014e8c17801c970d

Listed below are links to weblogs that reference 100 Best-ish Nonfiction Titles: Autobiography/Memoir:

Comments

How about Boy by Roald Dahl?

Oh, Nancy, that's a good one.
I'll add it to our master list, but would I bump anything off my list for it? I don't think so. But yes, definitely, if we could make just a list of the 100 best-ish memoirs.
Actually, it's time to read Boy again. Thanks for the reminder!

I'm a total sucker for lists, especially when they perplex me by being partly right-on-the-money and partly Who-Would-Ever-Read-*That?* The Time list fits the bill.

Your list of memoirs has just further bloated my TBR. (This is a mixed blessing.)

I strongly second A River Runs Through It, and I'd also add The Road from Coorain by Jill Ker Conway, which I read over a decade ago and can't stop thinking about. She had one fascinating childhood, and she didn't flinch from telling the honest truth.

Unruly,
Yeah, we're all suckers for lists. I get it. They give some shape to the world, and sometimes we like to give the world some shape, don't we?
The Time list bloated my TBR list as well; I particularly want to try the Hemingway. And now I'll have to add the Conway title, which I think I tried at one point but couldn't get into. Time to try it again--thanks for the suggestion!
and p.s. Thanks for seconding A River... I know it's not everyone's cuppa but man do I love that book.

I'm a big autobiography/memoir reader, so I've got several! First, I think Kevin Roose's Unlikely Disciple: A Sinner's Semster at America's Holiest University is one of my favorite memoirs ever. At no point did he go for the cheap joke but instead he really approached the whole project with an open mind and really gave everything a try. And, for a college junior, it was amazingly introspective. One of my top books in the last five years, at least!

Also, I thought Fun Home by Alison Bechdel was also incredibly open and introspective. I literally couldn't put it down. Beautiful, complex, amazing.

Likewise with Newjack: Guarding Sing Sing by Ted Conover was really introspective and insightful. Well written and compelling about the tolls on prison life and culture on the guards.

I was also incredibly moved by Douglas Adams's Last Chance to See which was both hilarious and profoundly sad. So so good.

Denial: A Memoir of Terror by Jessica Stern was one of the most insightful and compelling explorations of the after effects of trauma. Disturbing but absolutely worth it.

I'm not sure these would make my all time list, but I did also really enjoy The Sex Lives of Cannibals, On Writing, True Notebooks, Pack of Two, and The Kid. Also, one of the first books to really ignite my passion for non-fiction - Westward Whoa by W. Hodding Carter.

Or, This Boy's Life by Tobias Wolff (terrible movie but I remember loving Wolff's writing) or Fierce Attachments by Vivian Gornick. My mother told me to read Fierce Attachments; it is about a toxic mother, daughter relationship. Weird, because I thought my mother and I had a great relationship--was she trying to tell me something?

Laura,
Good titles all you've suggested too, thank you. I thought about Fun Home, particularly for its graphic format...but for some reason I just couldn't list it. I don't know why. I found it an interesting read but...I've always had a complex relationship with that book.
I've not been able to finish "Denial" but I agree it's a powerful work; well-written. And I have GOT to read the Douglas Adams.
Re: the Newjack and Unlikely Disciple, I think I'd have to get all splitsy-hairsy and say those are immersion journalism--investigative works--rather than memoir. But it's a fine distinction. (And Newjack was a great book; I've not read UD.) I have to revisit the Time list and see if there's a category for Journalism or something like that, where we can list those types of books.

Nancy!
Great picks, although if I can remember, I think I found the TBL movie interesting too. (Leonardo DiCaprio?) It seems sacrilegious to have a best-ish memoirs list without Tobias Wolff on it--he's a master of the form; you're right. Perhaps I will re-read TBL and give it that twelfth spot.
I'm guessing what your mom was trying to tell you was, aren't you glad we had a good relationship, unlike the one in this book? :)

This Boy's Life is great, as is The Duke of Deception, his brother Geoffrey's memoir. Speak, Memory is pretty amazing, so I might leave that on the list. I might add Jo Ann Beard's The Boys of My Youth and/or Dani Shapiro's Slow Motion. Joyce Johnson's Minor Characters is another one that would assuredly be on my list.

I did wonder about the immersion journalism question for those two books, but, for me, the level of personal examination, reflection and introspection elevated both the memoir/autobiography. I guess I tend to think of immersion journalism as either fairly light weight in which the focus is on the task OR something like Nickeled and Dimed which is trying to make a social comment.

Unruly -- Yes: Norman Maclean. He's my dream author.

Laura,
Never read The Duke of Deception; I love the title. And thanks for the vote on Speak, Memory. I've always wanted to read that too. I've only read Lolita (by Nabokov) but I did find that pretty interesting. And thanks for all the other suggestions too!

Laura,
Yup, all book classification is often a subjective, personal call. I won't argue with your definition but I do tend to think of any sort of "tried something" or "did something for a year," even accompanied by reflection, etc., as immersion journalism. But then I love journalism/investigative writing and tend to call a lot of stuff that. (If any of that makes any sense.

Unruly:
In total agreement about Norman Maclean.

Ditto on Duke of Deception and it's interesting to read that in tandem with This Boy's Life. I haven't read any of yours! So thanks for adding to my TBR list ... except I just can't bring myself to even consider the Didion. I love her writing, generally, but grief is just so painful and personal -- especially given what happened to her daughter. Just can't go there. (That's true of the entire recent surge of grief memoirs, not just Didion's.) I really liked Lit by Mary Karr. Interesting thing about Time's list was how few recent books were on there. Who's to say The Hemingses of Monticello or The Warmth of Other Suns or many, many others published in the last five years don't deserve to be on there? They just haven't had a chance to be influential yet ...

How about Rainbow Pie or Fist Stick Knife Gun? I don't know if they are the "best", but they are noteworthy.

Lists drive me crazy, because they just add to my TBR pile, and the real pile is high enough!

Of the TIME list I've read only the Maya Angelou and Bill Bryson. I don't think Bryson is a memoir either; put it under travel. Of your list I've read the Didion and Hanff. Of these four I think the Didion was the best because it prompted me to go and read her earlier works since I loved her writing that much. (Bryson was great but not in this category.) I loved Boy by Dahl. I don't read too much in this category because I never know whether I can trust the author (hated Running with Scissors). I think Memoir belongs in a netherworld between fiction and nonfiction.

Nan,
Okay, two votes for Duke of Deception. I must get that one.
I hear you on the Didion. You definitely have to be in the mood, and you have to be ready to read about grieving. I've been lucky in my life, but even I have lost people, so actually, it's one of my favorite "types" of memoirs. I've always been fond of C.S. Lewis's "Surprised by Joy," as well. You'd most likely not care to know, then, that Didion has a new memoir coming out about her daughter's death--Blue Nights. Even I don't know if I'm up for that one.
And excellent point re: the long-term viability of a lot of these titles. That's why "all-time" lists are so hard. Frankly, I could come out with a list of 100 great NF titles ever year (maybe), so narrowing it down even to this century is just too broad a field.

Venta,
You know I LOVED both those titles. I did think of both of them but I just didn't have enough spots. I may have to list Joe Bageant's Deer Hunting with Jesus as a sociology pick, though. Maybe the Fist Stick Knife Gun one too!

Donna,
Agreed on the Bryson! Travel.
Do you think you'll be up for Didion's new memoir about her daughter?
Yes, trust is always a sticking point in this category. I sidestep the whole issue by taking most memoirs with a massive grain of salt (they're so subjective, after all) but I too am annoyed when it's proved that they've simply been fabricated from whole cloth. This is why I didn't feel any qualms about listing the Maclean book--I won't say memoirs are fiction, but they're not really fact, either. We need a new category.

This Boy's Life - Tobias Wolff
Boy - Roald Dahl
My Life in France -Julia Child
The Year of Magical Thinking - Joan Didion

I forgot to include Kitchen Confidential. I remember the day I bought it: I wandered over to the cookbook/food writing section of Barnes and Noble and a girl was sitting there in the cramped aisle, reading. I said excuse me, I just want to find Kitchen Confidential...she jumped up and plucked it off the shelf. "You HAVE to read it," she said. "It's really REALLY good." She was helpful and she was right.

Bybee,
Excellent choices, all!
Funny about the girl who helped with the Bourdain. Did she work there or was she just reading there? Actually, I've read Bourdain's first crime novel, Bone in the Throat, and liked that too. I think he's got a nice way with both prose and character development. And of course with food descriptions. And of course I think he's an actual smokin' hottie, literally. Although he may have quit smoking now, I can't remember.

Huh. I always see "Black Boy" in the fiction section.

I looked over TIME's entire list, and then I yawned. Is this what literary discourse has come to? Just listing books for the lowest common denominator? TIME seems to be pointedly staying away from controversy. No "Mein Kampf," no "Das Kapital," not even a lightweight like "The Communist Manifesto." I wouldn't expect the LCD to slog through Hitler or "Das Kapital," but I think "The Communist Manifesto" is doable. But no. With the economy in the toilet, the political process completely broken, and the occupy Wall Street thing, we don't want to fan the flames of anti-capitalist sentiment by "encourging" the LCD to rise up, "Manifestos" clutched in angry, upraised fist. Best to just wander through Barnes & Noble and list the titles from their stacks and call it a day.

I'm going to be such a crank when I become an old man.

Brandon,
"When you become an old man"? You're not a crank now?
You know I had to say it.
Actually, I'm very appreciative when you comment, because I always pick on you when you do. I just can't help myself.
I totally agree with you that the Time list is a total yawner. And no list that suggests both Milton Friedman and Dale Carnegie is going to have you take a crack at the Communist Manifesto, much less Das Kapital. But it's a nice thought.
Thank god capitalism is working so you don't even have to think about which bookstore to wander through to compile the list--B&N it is, since Borders wasn't up to market competition, obviously. And soon all brick and mortar stores will be gone, dust before Amazon, the ultimate capitalist company, and one that has the balls to argue about charging its customers sales tax. (When of course all independent bookstores have to. Fair marketplace indeed!)
I'm a crank NOW. I can own it.

The Bourdain fan seemed to be a customer.

I was looking at this for some inspiration, because, really, Yahoo answers does not help. Some of these title sound very interesting. Could you help me come up with ideas? Thanks.

I'm smiling at Brandon's comment. I think he's being sarcastic about the "when I become an old man". Certain kinds of books have always been banned or held down- whether they encourage people of a minority race to stand up and be counted, or look at another way of building a strong economy.

They are held down because they contain thoughts that would change the established order. I don't want to guess too much but it seems too that people are quite content to rely on the recommendations of a few when it comes to their reading material.

Verify your Comment

Previewing your Comment

This is only a preview. Your comment has not yet been posted.

Working...
Your comment could not be posted. Error type:
Your comment has been posted. Post another comment

The letters and numbers you entered did not match the image. Please try again.

As a final step before posting your comment, enter the letters and numbers you see in the image below. This prevents automated programs from posting comments.

Having trouble reading this image? View an alternate.

Working...

Post a comment

Support CR: Shop at Powell's

Support CR: Shop at Amazon

Search Citizen Reader


  • WWW
    citizenreader.com
Blog powered by TypePad